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welcome to night-vision radio

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good evening and Happy Holidays everyone

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looking forward to a brand new year

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coming up and I can't say that I'm sad

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to see this one passing by it's been a

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crazy crazy year so looking for a much

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much better 2018 I want to get right

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into the show in just a moment but

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beforehand I wanted to throw a little

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something out there now this is a Renny

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Alert now you guys if you're not a Renny

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you may not know what already is but if

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you are one you know exactly who I'm

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talking to

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today someone sent me in fact our good

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friend Kourt Lindell author who's

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appeared on this show many times sent me

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a notice that someone had posted that

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there been a discovery made in the

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village of rennes-le-chateau today and

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it was underneath the house and the

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claim was that it was a tomb or a burial

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place with a body inside and some badly

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sort of decomposed parchments I don't

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know if this is real I don't know if

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it's a hoax what really made me kind of

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doubt the veracity of the story was at

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the very end of the little article it

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said that the mayor Alex panko as many

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of you know in that village that you're

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we're also familiar with said quoted

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that I put my hands in the fire that

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this is the body of Mary Magdalene now I

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have a little bit of trouble thinking

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that mayor Alex panko would make that

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kind of pronouncement on a preliminary

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find like that so I'm kind of

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questioning this the other thing is is

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that oddly turns out that the house

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underneath which this find was

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supposedly made as the house I'm

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extremely familiar with in fact many

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many times would have stayed in the

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village there in southwest France of

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rennes-le-chateau

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I've stayed directly across the street

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from that beriberi house and looked out

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onto it and I had a strange me to

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experience with the owner of that house

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so it's quite puzzling

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it would be quite hilarious if there did

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turn out to be a really authentic find

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there and I was looking out over it for

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years year after year after years I

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stayed in the village of course looking

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for clues and researching and on the

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trail of the secrets of

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rennes-le-chateau so more on this

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hopefully by next week and I'll also be

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posting more as I hear it on Facebook

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but if any of you Reni's out there any

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of you locals down on the ground in

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southwest france if you've got any

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information I'd love to have it send me

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some information if you found that it's

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a hoax if you've got anything that

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authenticates the story just anything at

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all I'd appreciate a heads-up so you can

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find me on Facebook or you can email me

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right here through inception Radio

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Network comm alright enough about that

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on with the subject at hand and oh my

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goodness I should say subjects because

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we we've got a panorama of things that

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we could cover tonight we're going to

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see how far we get because my guest is

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so knowledgeable in so many areas now my

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guest tonight is an esteemed Harvard

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astrophysicist many of you've heard of

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dr. Rudolph Shield he's with me tonight

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I persuaded him to stay up late on the

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East Coast and join us so dr. shield

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thank you so much for agreeing on we

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appreciate it very very much now you

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know as you know when I originally

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contacted you

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it was just following that New York

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Times article and the announcement

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regarding the pentagram gone UFO program

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that dealt with with Senator Harry Reid

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and Las Vegas billionaire Robert Bigelow

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now there's been a lot of of talk about

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why this was released why now what was

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really behind it but to me it's just

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interesting that the information was

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made public at all and it is interesting

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that someone like Senator Harry

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would have been involved and I do know

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that that Harry Reid is a personal

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friend of Robert Bigelow so maybe it's

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not that far-fetched they both are Las

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Vegas guys and they probably run in some

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of the same circles but I'm just

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wondering I know you've done a lot of

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work in the area of studying UFO

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experiences and we're a good friend a

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good close friend of the late dr. John

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Mack and did some of that work with him

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and then carried on do you see this news

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that's coming out having any impact at

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all on what you're doing or on the

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subjects of your study well I should say

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that we've all been waiting for the

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point when disclosure occurs in our

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civilization and I'm sure you've

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discussed this endlessly and it would be

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hard to believe for any of us that this

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could really be it so in some ways it's

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the most exciting moment and yet I think

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that all of us are a little bit cautious

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and we would like this kind of a

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discovery of this magnitude to be

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confirmed by somebody else

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and you might say well it's been

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confirmed by probably half a million

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reports of UFO abductions over the past

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40 years and so perhaps it's a

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confirmation of what they have already

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learned frankly I find it difficult as

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an academic to relate to this as a

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significant discovery because of the way

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it's being handled as a leak through of

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a very secure social network that until

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now has successfully kept the entire

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subject and its investigation in a top

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secret I hope that many of your

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listeners are aware that the late that

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John Podesta at the time that he retired

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from service to our former president

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Osama bin Laden is a Barack Obama Barack

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Obama it's late at night for me sorry

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folks I've actually made that very very

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same mistake and when Barack Obama was

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running for president I said you know

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what I'd be surprised if he gets elected

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because his name sounds too much like

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Osama my point okay thank you you've

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so what Frank Podesta to be tired he

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said in a highly publicized statement

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that he was severing his ties to the

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Obama administration as he had agreed

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with the president he would do following

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the reelection campaign and that have

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you been accomplished

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he was now retiring but then went out to

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say that the largest frustration of his

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administration as I believed as the

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president's chief of staff that failure

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was his inability to get a briefing for

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himself and the President of the United

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States on the American UFO program now

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we are learning in this brief statement

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from the military that oh the US

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government has had in fact a secret

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research program which they now assure

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us how to remain secret because there

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was concern that this announcement might

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panic the American people and that that

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does make sense I suppose but the

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problem is with it being handled with

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military security there is no question

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and answer session

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it occurs to me that if it is logically

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correct and true that the military has

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made this disclosure based on gun camera

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video from the f-18 a growler Jets then

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why don't they take the next very simple

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logical step since the US government has

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officially investigated the Roswell

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incident by so many accounts in 1947

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then why don't they just declassify the

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documents related to what happened to

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the spacecraft that the government

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picked up and carried away and

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transported away we don't know where and

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why not tell us about the reports that

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bodies were obtained at this time

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supposedly there were two living bodies

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we after the crash and - a dead bodies

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and whatever happened to those and how

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about some disclosure of facts that

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would that relate to 70 60 years ago if

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there is to be disclosure anyway you can

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see why there is plenty of opportunity

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for further disclosure by the government

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and I welcome the disclosure if it's

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here but as an academic we never take

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one person's word for it and would like

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to know more and like to know some of

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the details and before we can touch such

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a thing academically we have to know

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what the details are and having such

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disclosure in a secretive environment of

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military security is very frustrating so

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I am a little bit dubious and I'm just

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waiting for something more substantial

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you know it's funny because you know as

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you said everybody's been waiting you

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know for disclosure and we've all talked

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about it ad nauseam

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but when this article came out I mean it

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did cause it did cause a bit of a stir

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and there was interest raised by it but

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in a way it sort of seemed kind of

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anticlimactic it it was just sort of

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plopped out there and in you're right if

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they're going to disclose that why not

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disclose the other it doesn't make any

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sense after all this years and I'm not

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sure I at all by that it would throw the

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public into a panic I think you know

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that's gotten old that that excuse and I

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I think it would be much less of a panic

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than then they think I think what could

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be in in and maybe you have an opinion

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on this is that you know if they reveal

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it now then they're going to have to

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admit that they lied about certain

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things before or why in your mind would

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they release this one one bit about this

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one project or this one program and not

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release things like real hard evidence

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that they were that they gleaned from

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Roswell physical evidence so very good

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point

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Bernie I believe you are correct and I

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don't have an answer to your question

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obviously that that anything that I

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would say could only be speculation but

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it is perhaps important for your readers

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or your listeners to know for a fact

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that there is so much more to be done

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before we can consider this to be

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genuine disclosure and we are as you see

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put in a position to just wait and see

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and we're very much aware that somebody

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else is in charge here and that's a

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little bit unsatisfactory in the

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academic community where we're

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accustomed to having discoveries

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announced and scientists getting very

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excited about it

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but knowing oh there is a discovery that

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we can confirm now and

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we can then extend the reach and the

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importance and the breadth of our

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inquiries as necessary as we get more

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details we're not in that position

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whatsoever we're just left to discuss

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this as perhaps related to disclosure

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and the door is closed

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exactly it seems yeah it seems lacking

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somehow I'm just not sure what that's

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all about

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but now are you continuing your work

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with people who've had UFO experiences

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my own can my own relationship was John

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Mack was that his invitation I know John

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Mack socially we were both colleagues at

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a great university and one day I

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received an unexpected phone call at my

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office it was John Mack who introduced

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himself and I knew who he was of Forrest

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and remembered our friendship and

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association and he said that he had

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encountered something that was so

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unusual and so perplexing to him that he

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would like to discuss it with me because

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of all of the astronomical implications

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by it and both of us were aware that

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something this hot is a little bit

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tricky to deal with and that we would

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meet at a neutral space at the

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observatory that would be the cafeteria

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so that whatever the status of my phone

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was and whatever else was was what would

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I say was unsure we could avoid by

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meeting in this public and open space at

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that time John Mack said to told me

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about the nature of the abduction

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experiences that he's been hearing from

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many trusts worth of the individuals who

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pass all kinds of psychological advance

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they are

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intelligent people speak coherently and

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there was the offer that I might meet

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with some of them and discuss all the

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phenomena involved and I readily

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accepted and a long association with

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John Mack then followed and it and it

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didn't end well it ended only with his

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death and I feel as though I learned a

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great deal from from this but the

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problem was always that I could not

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discuss it in the academic corridors of

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Harvard University and John Mack himself

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was in the end at the early stages of

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persecution yes daring to say such an

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outrageous thing as apparently

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intelligences from remote planets were

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visiting the earth and spaceships that

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was what all the UFO fuss was about

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and there are people human beings who

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have knowledge of conditions of life

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around other stars and I was just

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excited and titillated beyond

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description

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I remember when he sent me a copy of his

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book abductions I sat out for the whole

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weekend and did basically nothing but

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burrow myself in his book and was have

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been endlessly fascinated since then of

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course something so big raises to me as

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a working scientist endless questions of

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what is the nature of life in the

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universe what life are we in contact

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with and what does the new abduction

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material tell us and the first thing I

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noticed was how much an abduction

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account read to me like the Christmas

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story I started to notice

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back in 1992 that well what was this

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remarkable star that they the Wiseman

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saw in the east and it was so impressive

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that they got on their earth camels of

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the sports cars as quickly as they could

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and made their way to Bethlehem bearing

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presents gifts of frankincense and myrrh

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you mean called the story and then what

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was in addition to the questions of what

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about the light that was seen well what

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about the choirs of angels and arch

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angels who were they really and then the

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story about the Annunciation and the

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visit by an angel who told Mary not to

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be afraid that this was all had the

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permission of the universe and all that

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everything just sounded like the

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Christmas story told to me and so I was

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fascinated to put the whole new

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knowledge in the context of ancient

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biblical knowledge and to have a more

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complete picture of what that might have

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been so anyway I had a long association

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with John Mack yes thank you and a oh

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yeah it was wonderful now you know as

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you mentioned you know it was becoming

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well known that he was getting a lot of

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flack at Harvard I mean my goodness and

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academic studying you know or

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researching an edgy subject like UFOs

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and alien abductions and alien

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experiences and encounters my goodness

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it was really something that we hadn't

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seen that much of in the halls of Ivy

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should I say and so he did get a lot of

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flack for that now did you or were you

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aware if he got other flack from other

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outside agencies or anything else and

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and I guess what I'm asking and forgive

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me if this is a you know rude question

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but I remember very

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well when dr. Mac was killed he was in

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London if I'm not mistaken and he was

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run over on the streets of London and

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killed

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I wondered at the time whether or not

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you know there was anything to that

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whether or not there was anything

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suspicious and I never really heard much

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about that did you ever wonder or did

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you ever hear anything or question the

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way that dr. Mac passed yes yes to both

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questions of yours in the first place

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I also heard the story or heard very

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quickly about this tragic death and at

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the same time I could understand it

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perfectly well because the same thing

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had almost happened to me only two

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months earlier let's me call that John

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Mac had just finished giving a ttle a

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lecture which was the purpose of his

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trip to London and he was exiting the

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lecture hall and I just know that his

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mind was full of thoughts about did I

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communicate my material adequately did

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it seem like the audience got it was I

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comprehensive was I clear in my

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discussion was I'm honest in my

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conclusions how did it seem to be going

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over all those questions would have been

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consuming him at this moment and walking

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across a street apparently he got hit by

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the automobile now it happened to me

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that only two months before I was in

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Edinburgh Scotland which is of course a

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UK nation and a similar thing happened I

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was approaching intersection and began

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walking across the street and habitually

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looking to the left which is a direction

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that I would look if I were in New York

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City to see if any traffic was

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approaching and suddenly I heard the

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brakes squeal very close by to the right

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of me and saw a bus when I looked

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I saw a bus come to a screeching halt

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because I had almost done the same thing

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that John Mac had done that is stepped

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off the curb into the path of an

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automobile and I could understand

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perfectly the the situation in Yemen and

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why he absent mindedly may have resorted

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to lifetime habits of not looking in the

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direction of my traffic danger in the

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track right you know Rene know that I

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later learned that he did not die

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instantly and that in fact he was alive

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for a few hours following the accident

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this was told to me firsthand and I

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think even that he was able to have a

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phone call with his wife and did not in

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any way mention that this appeared to be

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a conspiracy or there that this appeared

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to be foul play and there is reason to

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believe that in communications with him

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after the accident and when he was again

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coherent that he bore no malice for the

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accident and simply accepted that he

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that he had brought about his untimely

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death apparently by stepping out into

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traffic

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I myself have any thoughts about this

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being any kind of a conspiracy oh that's

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good you know I know exactly what you

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mean about UK traffic particularly

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London there is that idea of you know

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looking to the wrong direction for

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oncoming traffic but also the streets

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are so narrow for the amount of traffic

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that they bear in London and they come

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by really fast so when you're standing

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on the curb I mean traffic is right

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there you can reach out and touch the

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cars

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if you want so I could see how it could

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very easily happen and it's probably

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pretty easily I mean it's probably a

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fairly common occurrence in London

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especially for people who are visitors

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so thank you for clearing that up that

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was just a little niggling thought that

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I'd had all these years since john max

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death but you know what it's time for us

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to take a break and when we come back

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we're gonna have more with dr. Rudolf

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Shield we're gonna be talking about UFOs

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and we're going to be talking about the

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very origins of life on our planet

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stay with us welcome back to night

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vision I'm your host Renee Barnett if

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you're just joining us with me tonight

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is Harvard astrophysicist dr. Rudolph

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Shield he is talking to us tonight about

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a variety of subjects we started off

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with this disclosure of this Pentagon

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program of UFO research and study and we

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got into dr. shields work with dr. John

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Mack the late dr. John Mack of Harvard

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who was involved in studying what he

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called UFO experiencers I think up to

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that time

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the terms were abductees and contactees

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and I believe it was dr. john mack who

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first used that term experience or i

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could be wrong that's just my

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recollection lord knows my memory is not

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as good as it used to be but that's what

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I remember and I'm sticking to it anyhow

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and over-bright dr. shield I was asking

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you about your continuing work in that

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area and you were talking about an

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annual meeting that you have could you

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share a little bit about that and and

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why you do get together with a group of

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UFO abductees or experiencers every year

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what are you gleaning from that so in

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fact the group extends back to the times

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when dr. Mack I had active research

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underway with a group of experiences and

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they would arrange

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a special gathering at Newport Rhode

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Island every summer and it was an

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occasion for a few academics to meet

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with the abductees to answer any

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questions that would be involved in

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researching this topic the academics saw

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this as a beautiful way to instead to

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very quickly expand their understanding

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of the nature of the universe and there

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is one topic that often entertained us

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which was what I sometimes refer to as

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the mission creep involved in studying

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the UFO phenomena that mission creep has

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to do with the fact that it has been so

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often observed that the experiencers

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who've had Close Encounters of perhaps

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the first or second kind maybe the third

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or fourth kind that these experiences

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find that there is a lasting imprint on

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their minds in some way that causes them

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to be other interested in other

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phenomena of psychological character

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phenomena that I call the modern

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miracles of the miracles that are seen

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are totally understood and unexplained

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in the psychiatric community and I'm

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talking about things like remote viewing

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like near-death experiences things like

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telepathy thing is like a precognition

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so many of these Oh a strategy for that

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matter so many of these things are of

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interest to these people that I myself

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have investigated them a little bit but

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it's not really what I do instead my

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focus is to

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a visit with this crowd and take the

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following point of view suppose I as a

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research scientist adopt the posture

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that everything they say is true then

548
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I'm in a position to wrap a string in my

549
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mind around this expanded body of

550
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knowledge and ask myself then what have

551
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we learned about the universe what has

552
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to be true about the universe for all of

553
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:46,909
these experiences to be true now in

554
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doing so I leave room in my mind and say

555
00:31:02,799 --> 00:30:57,379
I'm actually holding this as 95 percent

556
00:31:05,169 --> 00:31:02,809
probably true but 5% of doubt so that

557
00:31:08,889 --> 00:31:05,179
leaves me in a space to be hopefully

558
00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:08,899
objective enough to be patient to listen

559
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:11,960
and keep my eyes and ears open and my

560
00:31:20,769 --> 00:31:14,440
mouth shut

561
00:31:25,330 --> 00:31:20,779
and you know what conclusion if any or

562
00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:25,340
maybe theory do you have that links this

563
00:31:33,129 --> 00:31:30,950
idea of near-death experiences and the

564
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:33,139
alien experience and the remote viewing

565
00:31:42,210 --> 00:31:37,129
and the ESP and and that sort of thing

566
00:31:45,129 --> 00:31:42,220
what is the commonality among all that

567
00:31:47,889 --> 00:31:45,139
excellent question I'm glad you asked

568
00:31:51,539 --> 00:31:47,899
I'm very delighted to be able to talk

569
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about this for just a few minutes I

570
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immediately found myself drawn when we

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go out to eat we never agree on where to

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go burgers tacos it is the one thing we

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do agree on is we all want unlimited

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high-speed data that's why we switch to

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streams DEP 240p no tethering C store

586
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for details in terms and conditions to

587
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:28,830
the work of dr. Edgar Mitchell with whom

588
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:31,769
iPad now a lasting friendship for about

589
00:32:37,749 --> 00:32:35,399
15 years because we were introduced when

590
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:37,759
we share the speaker's podium at

591
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:41,340
conferences so there was one notable

592
00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:43,620
conference with John Mac Edgar Mitchell

593
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:46,440
and myself and we talked about the

594
00:32:54,259 --> 00:32:50,190
meaning of these experiences and what a

595
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:54,269
scientists approaching the various

596
00:33:05,049 --> 00:33:00,659
phenomena thinks about them so I looked

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00:33:08,509 --> 00:33:05,059
to Edgar Mitchell's formulation or

598
00:33:11,539 --> 00:33:08,519
understanding of how the quantum

599
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:11,549
universe has already provided the

600
00:33:18,860 --> 00:33:14,809
necessary space are the necessary

601
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:18,870
principles for us to understand how

602
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:22,620
these phenomena could all originate in

603
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:25,049
what Edgar was calling the quantum

604
00:33:33,649 --> 00:33:28,740
hologram but if you want to you can just

605
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:33,659
call it a mystery or spiritual dimension

606
00:33:38,869 --> 00:33:36,809
of space and you're talking about Edgar

607
00:33:41,659 --> 00:33:38,879
Mitchell I assume I'm talking about

608
00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:41,669
Edgar Mitchell Apollo 14 the sixth man

609
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to mark on the moon

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his mission was accomplished and I

611
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believe 1972 and he describes the

612
00:33:57,139 --> 00:33:53,789
mission and where that left him in his

613
00:34:02,950 --> 00:33:57,149
book the way of the Explorer by Edgar

614
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:06,379
another person that was brave to sort of

615
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:09,480
come out into the public eye and face

616
00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:12,540
the ridicule errs and the naysayers you

617
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:14,190
know a lot of people in the chat room

618
00:34:20,839 --> 00:34:18,720
have been talking about dr. John Mack's

619
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:20,849
bravery and then in essence your bravery

620
00:34:26,860 --> 00:34:24,060
as well it takes a lot of courage

621
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:26,870
when you have an academic career to

622
00:34:35,659 --> 00:34:30,870
stand up and draw attention to some of

623
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:35,669
these subjects because not many not many

624
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:37,710
want to do it it is putting your career

625
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:39,060
on the line in a lot of ways I would

626
00:34:48,350 --> 00:34:44,130
think yes so this will I hope will amuse

627
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:48,360
you what I've done in the face of all of

628
00:34:59,290 --> 00:34:54,419
this problem is to adopt a a split

629
00:35:04,340 --> 00:34:59,300
personality side to my being in which

630
00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:04,350
dr. Rudolf yield of signs scientific

631
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:06,630
reports in the Astrophysical Journal and

632
00:35:12,260 --> 00:35:09,540
in the other refereed literature and

633
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:12,270
then there is this guy Rudy shield who's

634
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:14,730
looking into psychological phenomena

635
00:35:21,740 --> 00:35:18,480
that are somehow underlying the UFO

636
00:35:25,780 --> 00:35:21,750
experience so it's with this dual

637
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:25,790
personality that I'm able to survive and

638
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:30,300
so it is that I never raised my hand in

639
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:33,780
the seminar room at Harvard University

640
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:36,960
and I also work worked all this time for

641
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:39,540
the Smithsonian Institution but I would

642
00:35:46,850 --> 00:35:42,510
never raise my hand and say what the

643
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,860
little people told me no well I have to

644
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:48,800
ask you have they told you anything

645
00:35:56,090 --> 00:35:54,180
yes very easily oh so let me tell you a

646
00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:56,100
couple of interesting things that have

647
00:36:03,670 --> 00:35:59,460
been happened along the way oh please Oh

648
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:03,680
only about three years ago in

649
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:07,520
astronomical observations it was noticed

650
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:13,650
or that there was a a cloud of gas that

651
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:15,960
was approaching the black hole at the

652
00:36:23,780 --> 00:36:20,160
center of our galaxy and and it was

653
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:23,790
initially very puzzling nobody could

654
00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:26,940
understand how a gas cloud could find

655
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:29,880
itself in this position it was seen to

656
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:32,520
be approaching the galactic center black

657
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:37,110
hole and astronomers got busy with their

658
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:37,380
come

659
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:39,290
Computers and did what's called

660
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:42,450
simulation jinns they put in all of the

661
00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:44,040
equations of physics that seemed

662
00:36:51,860 --> 00:36:46,950
relevant into the computer and tried to

663
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:51,870
find a global solution to demonstrate

664
00:36:57,580 --> 00:36:54,180
what would happen in the close encounter

665
00:37:02,570 --> 00:36:57,590
that was to follow the next year

666
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:02,580
well the predictions based on the

667
00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:08,910
computer modeling all showed that the

668
00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:11,430
cloud would be hopelessly disrupted

669
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:14,760
because of intense torques that would be

670
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:18,210
experienced in the close proximity to

671
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,170
the black hole object and so all of

672
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,240
these simulations predicted the

673
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:26,640
destruction of the cloud and the clouds

674
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:28,710
eventually falling back down to the

675
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:33,300
black hole now some of my enlightened

676
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:36,960
beings meditated on this question of

677
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:41,130
what would happen to cloud g2 and told

678
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:43,890
me that the conclusion they had reached

679
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:46,500
was that nothing would happen at all it

680
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:49,500
would just pass harmlessly by and be

681
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:54,330
relatively unaffected well the event was

682
00:38:06,140 --> 00:37:56,730
originally expected to happen I believe

683
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:06,150
in the autumn of 2015 and as the autumn

684
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:09,240
wore into winter I started asking around

685
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:11,400
in the halls and corridors of the

686
00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:15,200
university well what was going on and

687
00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:18,420
the answer was well there's a new

688
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:19,980
prediction that this won't happen until

689
00:38:32,540 --> 00:38:25,610
next spring ha that's very suspicious

690
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:32,550
then next spring came in when it total

691
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:37,320
silence Oh telescopes on earth were

692
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:39,870
pointed in this direction and making

693
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:41,970
their measurements of the brightness of

694
00:38:46,610 --> 00:38:45,000
the spectrum and the polarization of the

695
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:46,620
light and all of the kinds of things

696
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,020
that we measure and astrophysics with

697
00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:51,200
our big mountain top telescopes our

698
00:39:00,240 --> 00:38:54,200
a scrap radio-telescopes all of that was

699
00:39:04,180 --> 00:39:00,250
engaged and dead silence the fact was

700
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:08,170
cloud had just passed harmlessly by the

701
00:39:12,250 --> 00:39:10,490
Galactic hole near the galactic center

702
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:12,260
of the black hole near the galactic

703
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:14,930
center and nothing happened to it and

704
00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:17,930
it's still closing out there now away

705
00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:22,670
from the scene of the action so it was

706
00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:30,260
possible for people having their gifts

707
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:33,740
to tune into the universe to the extent

708
00:39:40,540 --> 00:39:36,880
that they could make a correct

709
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,550
astronomical prediction that beat the

710
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:42,560
best guesses of the professional

711
00:39:48,579 --> 00:39:45,680
community okay

712
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,589
youth you called them enlightened beings

713
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,960
now who are the enlightened beings

714
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:52,400
you're speaking of are these human

715
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:56,480
beings these are you and beings and one

716
00:40:02,829 --> 00:40:00,079
of the modern miracles or these side

717
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:02,839
effect interests they have is that many

718
00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:05,930
of them through channeling they are able

719
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,280
to pick up on the wisdom of entities in

720
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:12,560
the universe and you may call them

721
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,490
angels if you want but they are the

722
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:19,040
enlightened beings that made the safe

723
00:40:25,150 --> 00:40:22,940
prediction and how did you come into

724
00:40:26,770 --> 00:40:25,160
contact with them I you know I'm

725
00:40:31,089 --> 00:40:26,780
assuming you don't want to say who they

726
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:31,099
are but what kind of people are they how

727
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:34,310
did you happen to be in touch with them

728
00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:35,810
that you would know to ask them these

729
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:39,020
questions well the fact is that they

730
00:40:44,530 --> 00:40:42,410
came to me because they heard that I was

731
00:40:46,750 --> 00:40:44,540
a scientist who was interested in these

732
00:40:50,430 --> 00:40:46,760
kinds of things and wanted to

733
00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:50,440
demonstrate to me that in fact these

734
00:40:57,130 --> 00:40:53,390
these experiences they were having have

735
00:41:00,880 --> 00:40:57,140
teeth they they have a very deliberate

736
00:41:03,609 --> 00:41:00,890
meaning and that they can relate to

737
00:41:04,450 --> 00:41:03,619
events in the physical universe that we

738
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:04,460
begins

739
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:07,950
astronomically and so one of the

740
00:41:17,660 --> 00:41:12,710
individuals that was communicating to me

741
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,670
had massive pain surgery with the orange

742
00:41:23,059 --> 00:41:20,160
size of object like a 4-inch diameter

743
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:23,069
spherical object removed from his brain

744
00:41:28,999 --> 00:41:26,250
cavity and this was a massive brain

745
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:29,009
surgery and something about him has

746
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:32,250
changed he is in a very very slow

747
00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:36,089
process of recovery and however he does

748
00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:40,440
communicate with some kind of off-planet

749
00:41:51,069 --> 00:41:45,750
entities a second person who is also

750
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:51,079
involved in this project with me has had

751
00:42:02,140 --> 00:41:56,880
seven near-death experiences the human

752
00:42:05,059 --> 00:42:02,150
individual here has a difficulty in

753
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:05,069
regulating in the autonomic nervous

754
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:08,880
system the temperature of her body so

755
00:42:16,279 --> 00:42:13,380
that if her normal equilibrium is

756
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:16,289
disturbed she goes into a thermal

757
00:42:23,230 --> 00:42:19,740
runaway state at the local hospital

758
00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:23,240
she's pronounced dead and two days later

759
00:42:29,269 --> 00:42:26,190
she finds herself in the stainless steel

760
00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:29,279
box waiting for the next step so she

761
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:31,740
starts pounding on the sides of the box

762
00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:35,490
and astonished people attending the

763
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:39,420
mortuary to find let her out of her

764
00:42:46,579 --> 00:42:43,920
stainless steel cage Wow so she is in

765
00:42:55,870 --> 00:42:46,589
contact with some entities in the

766
00:43:04,160 --> 00:42:59,539
bring information to me about the nature

767
00:43:06,910 --> 00:43:04,170
of the universe and I put together the

768
00:43:09,799 --> 00:43:06,920
stories that she tells with the

769
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:09,809
information that science is coming up

770
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:12,569
with on its own using mathematical

771
00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:15,970
principles and that is primarily

772
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:19,060
the work of Edgar Mitchell going back to

773
00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:24,060
Edgar now with the quantum hologram that

774
00:43:30,740 --> 00:43:26,470
extends what we called the quantum

775
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:30,750
theory to include consciousness and

776
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:33,730
that's a very deep swallow if you like

777
00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:35,650
our elaborate on that a little bit Rene

778
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,900
yes please since the 1920s era physics

779
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:46,720
has had the shock of having to learn

780
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:50,950
that there's more to our existence than

781
00:43:59,120 --> 00:43:54,690
just our physical flesh and bones that

782
00:44:08,840 --> 00:43:59,130
we seem to have some kind of soul

783
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:08,850
connection but also that the same theory

784
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:12,750
called the quantum theory that describes

785
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:16,210
fundamental particles like the atom and

786
00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:20,370
the proton and the neutron can also

787
00:44:27,150 --> 00:44:24,220
accommodate a different wave form which

788
00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:27,160
describes our consciousness and which

789
00:44:34,220 --> 00:44:31,390
resonates with our brain this is at the

790
00:44:37,470 --> 00:44:34,230
seat of all of these mysterious

791
00:44:39,570 --> 00:44:37,480
psychological phenomena that I call the

792
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:39,580
modern miracles and we've been spelling

793
00:44:50,610 --> 00:44:43,030
out as precognition remote-viewing

794
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:50,620
and so on now seen in this way I can

795
00:45:01,280 --> 00:44:55,200
suddenly understand how there could be

796
00:45:09,090 --> 00:45:05,250
remember that I'm saying now that the

797
00:45:13,070 --> 00:45:09,100
brain working with the quantum field

798
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:13,080
which has long been understood to

799
00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:17,590
describe the real the reality of the

800
00:45:25,530 --> 00:45:21,160
physical particles of the universe that

801
00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:25,540
now an expanded understanding shows that

802
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:29,740
we can also understand the nature of

803
00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:33,220
justice as a differently structured wave

804
00:45:41,070 --> 00:45:37,750
in the same quantum space that describes

805
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:41,080
physical reality is that too complicated

806
00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:44,140
should I say that again say it one more

807
00:45:52,890 --> 00:45:48,940
time please where we have already come

808
00:45:56,850 --> 00:45:52,900
to accept as a civilization that a

809
00:45:59,760 --> 00:45:56,860
quantum theory describes what you might

810
00:46:02,940 --> 00:45:59,770
call the existence or the physical

811
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:02,950
existence of all matter in the universe

812
00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:07,090
and the quantum waves that describe the

813
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:10,180
existence of matter are approximately

814
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:13,810
spherical waves that surround the

815
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electron or the proton or the elementary

816
00:46:22,530 --> 00:46:19,869
particle itself and then you can

817
00:46:26,970 --> 00:46:22,540
extrapolate that or extend that by

818
00:46:30,990 --> 00:46:26,980
noting that in fact our body is a large

819
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:31,000
collection of electrons protons and

820
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:32,890
neutrons and they're arranged in the

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chemical elements carbon nitrogen and

822
00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:39,550
oxygen and so on and it turns out then

823
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:42,550
that this same field which with

824
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:46,380
spherical shaped waves you know spheres

825
00:46:52,170 --> 00:46:49,510
surround the particle well there can

826
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:52,180
also be floating around in this space a

827
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:55,260
spiral acting with type of wave or

828
00:47:01,080 --> 00:46:58,480
cyclical waves or in the quantum theory

829
00:47:04,849 --> 00:47:01,090
you'll hear these described as healy

830
00:47:08,370 --> 00:47:04,859
waves that describe consciousness and

831
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:08,380
it's doing so described the entire

832
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:13,570
emotional constant of the universe well

833
00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:17,170
it's amazing that you know consciousness

834
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:20,740
is getting studied in this way you know

835
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:23,050
it's something like you said I guess dr.

836
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:27,609
Mitchell's theory was expanded to

837
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:33,550
include consciousness and I I see how

838
00:47:39,570 --> 00:47:35,170
that's sort of like the missing piece

839
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:39,580
isn't it very much so so let me go into

840
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:43,410
that a bit this was first understood

841
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:49,859
by renegade scientist bill help Reich

842
00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:56,010
who was born in Europe but emigrated to

843
00:48:02,480 --> 00:47:58,380
America in the turbulent times between

844
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:02,490
World War one and two and did his

845
00:48:09,799 --> 00:48:04,650
principal laboratory work in America

846
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:09,809
actually and was studying the properties

847
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,510
of waves that he felt he could see in

848
00:48:18,589 --> 00:48:14,819
darkness and he noticed that they had

849
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:18,599
the spiraling attributes and he called

850
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,250
them orgone energy but we in the world

851
00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:26,720
of quantum physics talk about this as

852
00:48:34,839 --> 00:48:30,599
waveforms related to consciousness and

853
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:34,849
it was understood that these waveforms

854
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:39,420
could actually be seen in brainwave

855
00:48:44,529 --> 00:48:42,270
studies which were emerging just at

856
00:48:49,339 --> 00:48:44,539
around the turn of the millennial of

857
00:48:51,769 --> 00:48:49,349
millennium around the year 2000 so the

858
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:51,779
first discovery came from Parma Italy

859
00:48:58,460 --> 00:48:56,430
were a scholar named Rizzoli T was

860
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:58,470
discovering what is called the mirror

861
00:49:06,140 --> 00:49:02,160
mirror neuron system acting in the brain

862
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:06,150
and then his work was taken up in

863
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:10,170
America by a research group led by dr.

864
00:49:18,019 --> 00:49:16,020
Gazzola Gaz zo l a and her research

865
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:18,029
papers are published in the psychiatric

866
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:21,839
and psychological appropriate journals

867
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:27,900
and she confirmed that the brains of two

868
00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:31,490
monkeys having the same experience

869
00:49:37,099 --> 00:49:34,230
developed the same brainwave pattern

870
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:37,109
this could now be established with

871
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:38,609
things like functional magnetic

872
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:43,220
resonance imaging that can directly

873
00:49:54,589 --> 00:49:49,920
image brain waves in the brain so we now

874
00:49:57,470 --> 00:49:54,599
have a actual science the science of

875
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,480
brain study is

876
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:00,240
which now is start trying to talk I

877
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:04,800
starting to to tie together what's going

878
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:08,030
on in the brain and these additional

879
00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:13,290
capabilities of the universe to support

880
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:15,660
another kind of wave which is what we

881
00:50:24,830 --> 00:50:19,800
call consciousness now it's very

882
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:24,840
significant that dr. Wilhelm Reich was

883
00:50:33,470 --> 00:50:30,210
the only person known to be arrested for

884
00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:33,480
his scientific work thrown at the

885
00:50:40,310 --> 00:50:36,660
federal prison where he died and have

886
00:50:42,850 --> 00:50:40,320
his entire library from his living room

887
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:42,860
and from the laboratory on his estate

888
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:49,710
burned in a public display in public Wow

889
00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:52,680
other words the four only scientists I

890
00:51:01,040 --> 00:50:56,150
know of who was persecuted for his

891
00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:01,050
scientific investigations and what do

892
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:04,560
you think they were afraid of they were

893
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:08,280
afraid of it's upsetting I presume

894
00:51:15,070 --> 00:51:12,170
of upsetting the economics and the

895
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:15,080
entire social fabric of our times

896
00:51:24,010 --> 00:51:20,370
because if things like UFOs become known

897
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:24,020
and we're learning about off-planet

898
00:51:29,780 --> 00:51:26,490
civilizations this would be very

899
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:29,790
disruptive he also knew that our

900
00:51:37,070 --> 00:51:34,200
religious feelings and is to the Creator

901
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:37,080
the cosmic intelligence we say in the

902
00:51:45,110 --> 00:51:40,380
university system that would make

903
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:45,120
unnecessary the theology of today they

904
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:48,960
would completely upset the what you

905
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:52,140
would call the balance of power in our

906
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:55,740
academic community all right I I was

907
00:51:59,810 --> 00:51:57,180
curious as to whether there was a

908
00:52:02,600 --> 00:51:59,820
religious element to it naturally I

909
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:02,610
assumed that there would be because it

910
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:07,040
would upset a lot of doctrines I guess

911
00:52:13,999 --> 00:52:10,650
all true right this is pretty

912
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:14,009
but we might as well get used to it

913
00:52:19,959 --> 00:52:17,130
because now we have the official word

914
00:52:24,249 --> 00:52:19,969
acknowledged by the US government that

915
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,259
these UFO objects do exist there are

916
00:52:28,729 --> 00:52:26,640
intelligences on other planets and

917
00:52:32,140 --> 00:52:28,739
they're coming here in their UFO

918
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:32,150
spacecraft and they have overwhelming

919
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:35,940
capabilities way beyond anything that we

920
00:52:41,779 --> 00:52:38,249
have developed so far to the best of my

921
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:41,789
knowledge wow that's that's pretty

922
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:42,630
amazing

923
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:44,249
now we're gonna take a quick break and

924
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:46,049
when we come back we're gonna talk about

925
00:52:52,279 --> 00:52:49,650
more on that and also the origins of

926
00:52:57,709 --> 00:52:52,289
life on our planet is it all connected

927
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:57,719
I'm sure it must be stay with us welcome

928
00:53:01,729 --> 00:53:00,119
back to night vision my goodness my head

929
00:53:04,459 --> 00:53:01,739
is spinning I just asked my guest

930
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:04,469
tonight dr. Rudolph Shield Harvard

931
00:53:09,469 --> 00:53:07,619
astrophysicist if he could please write

932
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:09,479
a book called Astro physics for dummies

933
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,329
just for me does for me not for my

934
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:14,160
listeners they're all very very smart

935
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:17,400
but I'd love to get my head around more

936
00:53:21,229 --> 00:53:20,460
of all these theories is so so

937
00:53:26,959 --> 00:53:21,239
interesting

938
00:53:31,809 --> 00:53:26,969
now dr. shield you were your work with

939
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:31,819
the UFOs with the experiencers with

940
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:34,710
things you know with certain phenomena

941
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:37,049
or you know what we call phenomena like

942
00:53:43,219 --> 00:53:39,529
near-death experience is remote viewing

943
00:53:47,539 --> 00:53:43,229
extrasensory perception and those things

944
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:47,549
I know you have a lot of work that

945
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:51,420
you've done in the field of studying the

946
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:56,099
the very origins of our of our planet

947
00:54:01,039 --> 00:53:57,930
here it's very origins of life on our

948
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:01,049
planet and also you've done a lot of

949
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:04,319
work and studying black holes and

950
00:54:09,319 --> 00:54:07,170
something called meiko's which I you

951
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:09,329
know are totally blowing my mind right

952
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:09,569
now

953
00:54:18,829 --> 00:54:16,049
collapsing objects if they're a link

954
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:18,839
between black holes between meiko's

955
00:54:24,430 --> 00:54:21,180
between all these other types of

956
00:54:27,799 --> 00:54:24,440
phenomena and how we

957
00:54:29,859 --> 00:54:27,809
were made here on this planet how life

958
00:54:35,660 --> 00:54:29,869
originated on this planet

959
00:54:40,819 --> 00:54:35,670
well absolutely yes and they actually

960
00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:40,829
have most importantly a tie a a tie in

961
00:54:48,819 --> 00:54:45,900
with our process of memory and how

962
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:48,829
information is stored in the universe

963
00:54:58,839 --> 00:54:54,660
but Carol I'm sorry Rene I believe you

964
00:55:03,140 --> 00:54:58,849
really wanted me to talk to begin with

965
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:03,150
more about the existence of life in the

966
00:55:12,140 --> 00:55:07,950
universe and how it would progress

967
00:55:15,529 --> 00:55:12,150
toward Earth or has it been here and as

968
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:15,539
in fact that already buried in our DNA

969
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:17,849
and all of these questions about the

970
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:22,170
origin of life on Earth and does it come

971
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:24,900
from outer space in the form that

972
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:28,140
sometimes called panspermia so when it

973
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:30,210
appropriate for me to take off in that

974
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:33,150
direction before coming back to the more

975
00:55:41,479 --> 00:55:36,329
problematic black holes absolutely in

976
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:41,489
panspermia is the theory by which life

977
00:55:46,819 --> 00:55:44,190
is brought here in asteroids and

978
00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:46,829
meteorites and am I mistaken that it's

979
00:55:54,099 --> 00:55:49,319
in the form of bacteria because I think

980
00:55:59,299 --> 00:55:54,109
there's another theory that where it's a

981
00:56:05,529 --> 00:55:59,309
biological origins of life is that is

982
00:56:16,839 --> 00:56:10,180
it's much safer to talk about the direct

983
00:56:20,690 --> 00:56:16,849
communication of living entities to our

984
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:20,700
planet - as you said asteroids and

985
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:23,970
meteors and so on so there are two

986
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:26,130
important things to be said about this

987
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:29,670
and that is that there is a class of

988
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:32,970
meteorites which has been recognized

989
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:35,690
they're called

990
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:40,140
I can't recall what the class is called

991
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:43,980
I'm sorry but this class of meteorites

992
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:47,730
once sectioned carefully often reveals

993
00:56:57,380 --> 00:56:53,730
remnants of life and typically opening

994
00:57:01,040 --> 00:56:57,390
one of these meteors will produce

995
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:01,050
evidence for approximately 12 different

996
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:05,850
life forms six of which we recognize

997
00:57:13,580 --> 00:57:10,200
from studies here on earth and six of

998
00:57:16,550 --> 00:57:13,590
which are completely unfamiliar to us in

999
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:16,560
other words things that we don't know

1000
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:19,110
here on earth at all hmm

1001
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:24,660
so that would suggest that in fact some

1002
00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:27,930
of the things that we do recognize came

1003
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:32,220
to us from space it's important to

1004
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:35,400
understand what the astronomical case is

1005
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:37,740
here because there would have been a

1006
00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:43,260
time in the universe when conditions for

1007
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:46,380
panspermia or the transmission of life

1008
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:50,700
material would have been much more

1009
00:57:57,830 --> 00:57:54,210
strongly favoured I'm talking about a

1010
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:57,840
time long ago when we believed that the

1011
00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:01,200
universe was much smaller but containing

1012
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:05,190
about the same amount of mass and also

1013
00:58:12,140 --> 00:58:08,490
the universe was much warmer so where

1014
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:12,150
it's now extremely cold on our

1015
00:58:22,330 --> 00:58:14,310
Fahrenheit thermometers it would be

1016
00:58:28,850 --> 00:58:25,220
that's that's today's temperature that

1017
00:58:33,020 --> 00:58:28,860
we measure but long ago it would have

1018
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:33,030
been 600 degrees and at other times 6000

1019
00:58:39,590 --> 00:58:37,200
and at other times six million so let's

1020
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:39,600
focus for a moment on when the

1021
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:42,170
temperature was about 600 degrees

1022
00:58:49,220 --> 00:58:45,420
because we do have living materials

1023
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:49,230
observed near us so furious vents in our

1024
00:58:54,830 --> 00:58:52,920
oceans sometimes that survived water

1025
00:58:59,720 --> 00:58:54,840
temperatures that are up in this range

1026
00:59:02,120 --> 00:58:59,730
and we know that there would be plenty

1027
00:59:05,420 --> 00:59:02,130
of water in the universe at this time

1028
00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:05,430
near the or near the time of origin at

1029
00:59:13,099 --> 00:59:10,740
the beginning called the Big Bang so we

1030
00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:13,109
have every reason to believe that a

1031
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:16,590
smaller more tightly packed universe

1032
00:59:22,310 --> 00:59:20,160
would shuffle the pieces around much

1033
00:59:24,620 --> 00:59:22,320
more easily than they can be shuffled

1034
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:24,630
today because the distances have

1035
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:28,490
increased by a factor of a hundred also

1036
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:30,930
conditions of temperature and density

1037
00:59:39,010 --> 00:59:34,080
and presence of water would have been

1038
00:59:45,070 --> 00:59:39,020
more ideal yeah it has in addition been

1039
00:59:51,609 --> 00:59:45,080
communicated to me that the movie thrive

1040
00:59:55,070 --> 00:59:51,619
by gamble foster gamble is correct in

1041
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:55,080
observing that the purpose of life are

1042
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:58,050
the purpose of the universe is for life

1043
01:00:06,109 --> 01:00:02,400
to emerge and thrive in the universe to

1044
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:06,119
the glory of its creator and that makes

1045
01:00:14,660 --> 01:00:10,670
a great deal of sense to me and I

1046
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:14,670
believe that understanding the purpose

1047
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:18,990
of the universe then helps me understand

1048
01:00:28,099 --> 01:00:23,310
my own purpose in the universe and that

1049
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:28,109
purpose will be to again assist the

1050
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:31,950
thriving of life but often in my life

1051
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:35,130
I've confronted with decisions about

1052
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:39,720
career changes and major events buying

1053
01:00:47,570 --> 01:00:44,730
property or whatever and I the guiding

1054
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:47,580
principle that I adopt from these kinds

1055
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:52,200
of studies is that I should always make

1056
01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:55,290
a decision that keeps me aligned with

1057
01:01:02,329 --> 01:00:57,540
the purpose and intent of the universe

1058
01:01:07,699 --> 01:01:02,339
for life to thrive because my own effort

1059
01:01:10,989 --> 01:01:07,709
we'll be more successful if I stay with

1060
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:10,999
that mission and purpose

1061
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:17,160
hmm okay that's a stunned silence yes it

1062
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:21,630
is and you know considering that and as

1063
01:01:28,279 --> 01:01:25,890
you were talking about this idea this

1064
01:01:30,529 --> 01:01:28,289
and and they're also discussing it in

1065
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:30,539
the chatroom the idea of panspermia and

1066
01:01:38,439 --> 01:01:34,079
the in life being transmitted to Earth

1067
01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:38,449
from other places in the universe by

1068
01:01:47,179 --> 01:01:42,420
asteroids in meteorites I mean that sort

1069
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:47,189
of sounds kind of random do you believe

1070
01:01:56,029 --> 01:01:50,249
that there was some kind of purpose or

1071
01:01:59,809 --> 01:01:56,039
intent that can be shown or are

1072
01:02:05,689 --> 01:01:59,819
evidenced by life coming to this planet

1073
01:02:08,419 --> 01:02:05,699
or was it just a random situation it's

1074
01:02:10,189 --> 01:02:08,429
almost certainly true in my view and

1075
01:02:13,279 --> 01:02:10,199
this is getting a little bit

1076
01:02:18,949 --> 01:02:13,289
philosophical and I'm now speaking as

1077
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:18,959
Rudy shield a fennec guy who departs

1078
01:02:24,049 --> 01:02:21,119
from some precepts of science now and

1079
01:02:26,509 --> 01:02:24,059
again to be open to other kinds of

1080
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,519
knowledge when we go out to eat we never

1081
01:02:31,339 --> 01:02:29,039
agree on where to go what burgers heats

1082
01:02:33,439 --> 01:02:31,349
up tacos it is the one thing we do agree

1083
01:02:36,140 --> 01:02:33,449
on is we all want unlimited high-speed

1084
01:02:38,449 --> 01:02:36,150
data that's why we switch to metro pcs

1085
01:02:40,459 --> 01:02:38,459
stop by metro pcs with the whole family

1086
01:02:42,979 --> 01:02:40,469
and get four lines with unlimited LTE

1087
01:02:44,929 --> 01:02:42,989
data for just $100 period metro pcs

1088
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:44,939
Wireless figured out covers not

1089
01:02:47,059 --> 01:02:46,049
available in some areas offers for our

1090
01:02:48,439 --> 01:02:47,069
coordinate number not currently active

1091
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:48,449
on t-mobile network during congestion

1092
01:02:50,660 --> 01:02:49,410
the fraction of customers using more

1093
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:50,670
than 35 gigs per month may notice

1094
01:02:53,749 --> 01:02:52,529
reduced beats video streams DUP 240p no

1095
01:02:57,969 --> 01:02:53,759
tethering see store for details in terms

1096
01:03:01,009 --> 01:02:57,979
and conditions other ways of knowing so

1097
01:03:04,939 --> 01:03:01,019
let me first get back in answering your

1098
01:03:08,689 --> 01:03:04,949
question to the issue of the panspermia

1099
01:03:11,989 --> 01:03:08,699
and what do we actually see because if

1100
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:11,999
you read any textbook on the subject of

1101
01:03:16,220 --> 01:03:14,880
astronomy and life in space you will

1102
01:03:20,359 --> 01:03:16,230
read the statement

1103
01:03:24,020 --> 01:03:20,369
that space is a very inhospitable place

1104
01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:24,030
for life to exist that there are large

1105
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:26,900
fluxes of x-rays and gamma rays and

1106
01:03:34,849 --> 01:03:29,910
ultraviolet light and other things which

1107
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:34,859
are directly harmful to life and yet we

1108
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:37,500
have only just recently learned in the

1109
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:41,090
last year that there are organisms

1110
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:44,850
growing on the side of the International

1111
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:48,180
Space Station in orbit around the Earth

1112
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,450
this was reported first by Russian

1113
01:03:57,890 --> 01:03:54,240
astronauts who were tasked with taking

1114
01:04:01,400 --> 01:03:57,900
some clean cloths and wiping down yeah

1115
01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:01,410
exterior surface of the spacecraft and

1116
01:04:08,650 --> 01:04:04,260
his noticing that wait a minute there's

1117
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:08,660
this green stuff all over the place and

1118
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:11,910
it's obviously growing it wasn't there a

1119
01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:16,890
month ago so we have to get over the

1120
01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:19,380
concept that space is totally

1121
01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:25,710
inhospitable to transfer Mia or our life

1122
01:04:32,510 --> 01:04:28,380
cannot exist in space there it is in

1123
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:32,520
your face now the other means that we've

1124
01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:35,460
discussed which is life traveling in

1125
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:38,760
meteorites I have already mentioned that

1126
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:41,130
meteorites cut open in sterile

1127
01:04:48,109 --> 01:04:44,690
environments show the presence of these

1128
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:48,119
formerly living creatures some of which

1129
01:04:59,720 --> 01:04:51,359
we can identify as similar to ones known

1130
01:05:03,020 --> 01:04:59,730
on earth and so I think it's easier to

1131
01:05:05,930 --> 01:05:03,030
imagine that life does fall onto the

1132
01:05:12,380 --> 01:05:05,940
earth than to insist out of religious

1133
01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:12,390
belief or something that it doesn't yes

1134
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:15,300
I would think so

1135
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:17,850
I mean it makes more sense than the

1136
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:19,730
stories we've been brought up with

1137
01:05:28,930 --> 01:05:25,650
certainly but now in this in this theory

1138
01:05:32,610 --> 01:05:28,940
all life on Earth

1139
01:05:36,910 --> 01:05:32,620
came from elsewhere is that correct

1140
01:05:40,930 --> 01:05:36,920
that's not clear we believe that we see

1141
01:05:45,930 --> 01:05:40,940
evolution going on in the animal species

1142
01:05:48,430 --> 01:05:45,940
around us and that in many ways the

1143
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:48,440
atmosphere and the history of the earth

1144
01:05:54,550 --> 01:05:51,650
shaped the evolutionary development of

1145
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:54,560
things which started out with these

1146
01:06:00,940 --> 01:05:58,130
patterns in nature the existence of DNA

1147
01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:00,950
and the structuring of consciousness

1148
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:04,310
waves all of those things contributed to

1149
01:06:13,450 --> 01:06:07,370
this in ways which we can't really piece

1150
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:13,460
together yet now I don't know if we have

1151
01:06:20,140 --> 01:06:17,450
time to take any questions from the chat

1152
01:06:23,890 --> 01:06:20,150
room but there was one it kind of hurts

1153
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:23,900
more back to the original subject that

1154
01:06:29,140 --> 01:06:25,520
we talked about at the top of the show

1155
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:29,150
about this release of information it's

1156
01:06:36,090 --> 01:06:32,330
kind of a long question if I could read

1157
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:36,100
it to you dr. shield Neutron is asking

1158
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:39,770
would you both agree with my suspicion

1159
01:06:45,340 --> 01:06:42,410
that the small initiation of disclosure

1160
01:06:48,010 --> 01:06:45,350
by the Pentagon signifies a possible

1161
01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:48,020
change of polarization in the

1162
01:06:53,710 --> 01:06:50,680
relationship of the establishment and

1163
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:53,720
the government and I guess he's talking

1164
01:06:58,600 --> 01:06:55,730
about possible indications that the

1165
01:07:03,400 --> 01:06:58,610
establishment may become a breakaway

1166
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:03,410
Society any any ideas about any of that

1167
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:05,090
I mean a court certainly I wouldn't know

1168
01:07:10,990 --> 01:07:08,570
he's asking both of us I think I think

1169
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:11,000
that's a very very good question but I

1170
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:13,850
don't think you need a scientist to

1171
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:16,910
address those points I would prefer to

1172
01:07:24,930 --> 01:07:19,280
stay more with topics that relate to

1173
01:07:28,330 --> 01:07:24,940
science because I don't want to bring my

1174
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:28,340
sponsoring University and by the way I

1175
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:32,330
am a retired faculty member of the

1176
01:07:37,570 --> 01:07:34,910
University of Harvard University I did

1177
01:07:39,820 --> 01:07:37,580
teach courses there but I was also a

1178
01:07:41,290 --> 01:07:39,830
staff member for the Smithsonian

1179
01:07:46,590 --> 01:07:41,300
Institution

1180
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:46,600
a scientist scholar so I don't want

1181
01:07:53,260 --> 01:07:50,720
opinions out of political character to

1182
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:53,270
become part of this discussion it's just

1183
01:07:59,140 --> 01:07:55,970
too complicated and I think they're

1184
01:08:02,980 --> 01:07:59,150
probably better addressed by a better

1185
01:08:05,110 --> 01:08:02,990
and foreign people than me yeah we were

1186
01:08:06,430 --> 01:08:05,120
lucky enough to get Rudy on here for for

1187
01:08:10,570 --> 01:08:06,440
a couple minutes I don't think we're

1188
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:10,580
going to get it back we've got dr.

1189
01:08:17,530 --> 01:08:15,290
shield now anyhow dr. shield you know

1190
01:08:19,930 --> 01:08:17,540
what's coming up for you in your

1191
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:19,940
research and I'm assuming you're going

1192
01:08:27,780 --> 01:08:23,120
to continue to meet with these UFO

1193
01:08:31,539 --> 01:08:27,790
experiencers and oh I wanted to ask you

1194
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:31,549
you along with the ideas that you said

1195
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:33,890
you you've come to realize and it's

1196
01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:36,799
become documented that so many people

1197
01:08:44,170 --> 01:08:40,940
who have UFO experiences also have

1198
01:08:47,380 --> 01:08:44,180
either have had or develop a keen

1199
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:47,390
interest in other types of phenomena and

1200
01:08:52,150 --> 01:08:50,960
E's remote viewing ESP that sort of

1201
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:52,160
thing

1202
01:08:59,019 --> 01:08:56,690
were there any other I won't say

1203
01:09:02,200 --> 01:08:59,029
conclusions but were there any other

1204
01:09:05,260 --> 01:09:02,210
commonalities are there other data that

1205
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:05,270
your court of collecting and looking at

1206
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:08,330
in terms of trends of you know what

1207
01:09:12,849 --> 01:09:10,250
these people are experiencing and

1208
01:09:17,769 --> 01:09:12,859
talking about what other types of

1209
01:09:20,010 --> 01:09:17,779
information are you able to to get for

1210
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:20,020
your purposes yes very interesting

1211
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:25,370
question and thank you Renee I want to

1212
01:09:33,539 --> 01:09:28,640
first talk about the condition with

1213
01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:33,549
regard to astrology recall that

1214
01:09:40,510 --> 01:09:37,430
astrology has been with us about as long

1215
01:09:42,250 --> 01:09:40,520
as our civilization has been here people

1216
01:09:45,370 --> 01:09:42,260
have noticed that there are things

1217
01:09:47,470 --> 01:09:45,380
moving up there and this guy the Sun

1218
01:09:49,599 --> 01:09:47,480
moving in the calendar year the moon

1219
01:09:52,539 --> 01:09:49,609
moving through and circling the earth

1220
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:52,549
once in a month and the various planets

1221
01:09:59,660 --> 01:09:54,000
getting in various

1222
01:10:03,230 --> 01:09:59,670
lineman's throughout the seasons and it

1223
01:10:06,130 --> 01:10:03,240
has been confused whether that's the

1224
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:06,140
subject of astrology or astronomy

1225
01:10:13,340 --> 01:10:09,810
sometimes but astronomers have I believe

1226
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:13,350
gone a little bit overboard in trying to

1227
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:15,930
make the case that this has nothing to

1228
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:21,000
do with scientific research it's my

1229
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:25,050
impression that the new quantum hologram

1230
01:10:33,050 --> 01:10:27,780
theory the Edgar Mitchell theory which

1231
01:10:35,890 --> 01:10:33,060
says that our brain waves have

1232
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:35,900
everything to do with consciousness and

1233
01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:40,290
that these are quantum in character that

1234
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:43,710
means that the coherences that are in

1235
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:46,800
the universe and by coherences I mean

1236
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:49,800
the mathematical description of

1237
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:55,260
consciousness that those coherences and

1238
01:11:02,090 --> 01:10:59,280
our ability to resonate with the

1239
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:02,100
universe where I see consciousness as a

1240
01:11:09,490 --> 01:11:06,330
resonance of the human brain with other

1241
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:09,500
structures and entities in the universe

1242
01:11:18,430 --> 01:11:14,400
how that might be assisted by alignments

1243
01:11:21,650 --> 01:11:18,440
of the planets so I could imagine that

1244
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:21,660
when the planets are all strung out in a

1245
01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:26,370
row for example that some kinds of wave

1246
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:30,150
patterns that affect our brain will

1247
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:33,930
enter our solar system more easily than

1248
01:11:43,190 --> 01:11:40,560
perhaps at other times when the various

1249
01:11:46,460 --> 01:11:43,200
planets are scattered all over the sky

1250
01:11:48,710 --> 01:11:46,470
or perhaps are on opposite sides of the

1251
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:48,720
sky or what-have-you

1252
01:11:56,660 --> 01:11:52,890
in other words I can see that they're

1253
01:12:00,170 --> 01:11:56,670
the combination of the quantum

1254
01:12:03,260 --> 01:12:00,180
understanding of consciousness and the

1255
01:12:07,129 --> 01:12:03,270
quantum structuring of mass not a new

1256
01:12:12,469 --> 01:12:07,139
idea going back to the 1920s

1257
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:12,479
how that is adjusted and affects our

1258
01:12:18,469 --> 01:12:15,409
consciousness and by affecting our

1259
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:18,479
consciousness I mean we will experience

1260
01:12:25,819 --> 01:12:21,840
good days and bad days there might be

1261
01:12:29,209 --> 01:12:25,829
days when we just feel glum and that

1262
01:12:33,229 --> 01:12:29,219
could be because happiness waves have a

1263
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:33,239
hard time reaching planet Earth due to

1264
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:36,570
the alignments of the planets and

1265
01:12:40,459 --> 01:12:39,090
equally I could imagine the opposite

1266
01:12:43,009 --> 01:12:40,469
that there are some days were

1267
01:12:45,949 --> 01:12:43,019
effervescent and very very happy because

1268
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:45,959
happiness waves which resonate with the

1269
01:12:52,459 --> 01:12:50,130
happiness in the universe are assisted

1270
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:52,469
in entering the universe and are

1271
01:12:59,629 --> 01:12:55,249
actually even perhaps amplified by

1272
01:13:04,850 --> 01:12:59,639
planetary alignments so can you see that

1273
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:04,860
there is some justification for the much

1274
01:13:13,639 --> 01:13:09,380
forbidden theory or idea of astrology

1275
01:13:19,969 --> 01:13:13,649
coming around in these new ideas about a

1276
01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:19,979
quantum universe hmm it really is now

1277
01:13:28,839 --> 01:13:26,070
these are these ideas that mainstream

1278
01:13:33,049 --> 01:13:28,849
science are embracing as well now

1279
01:13:37,909 --> 01:13:33,059
absolutely not I'm Vicky here as Rudy

1280
01:13:40,699 --> 01:13:37,919
shield ok Rudy's back good we have to

1281
01:13:42,620 --> 01:13:40,709
clarify that I was getting excited for a

1282
01:13:45,529 --> 01:13:42,630
minute that you know science was coming

1283
01:13:47,899 --> 01:13:45,539
along but you know in a lot of ways

1284
01:13:49,759 --> 01:13:47,909
science has in the last few years at

1285
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:49,769
least started acknowledging things like

1286
01:13:55,339 --> 01:13:52,260
you know the possibility of parallel

1287
01:13:58,759 --> 01:13:55,349
universes and that sort of thing and and

1288
01:14:03,560 --> 01:13:58,769
then study in areas such as you study

1289
01:14:05,989 --> 01:14:03,570
like black holes yes no oh

1290
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:05,999
could I ask you one more thing and I'm

1291
01:14:08,859 --> 01:14:07,260
going to have to apologize to the

1292
01:14:13,159 --> 01:14:08,869
chatroom if there were more questions

1293
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:13,169
I've sort of hog dup all your time today

1294
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,090
and I really apologize

1295
01:14:21,060 --> 01:14:18,880
I was wondering you know when we're

1296
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:21,070
thinking about this idea of panspermia

1297
01:14:27,419 --> 01:14:24,130
and things coming in you know basically

1298
01:14:29,700 --> 01:14:27,429
on rocks and and smashing against the

1299
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:29,710
earth and cracking open and you know

1300
01:14:36,569 --> 01:14:34,449
causing life to start growing you know

1301
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:36,579
we we hear all these stories and there

1302
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:38,409
is this research into the idea of

1303
01:14:45,660 --> 01:14:42,010
ancient astronauts and how you know

1304
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:45,670
really products of these God's from the

1305
01:14:49,379 --> 01:14:46,510
sky

1306
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:49,389
you know the Anunnaki who come is there

1307
01:14:56,879 --> 01:14:53,650
any do you see that as being completely

1308
01:14:59,700 --> 01:14:56,889
contrary to the idea of panspermia or

1309
01:15:05,339 --> 01:14:59,710
does is it apples and oranges or is

1310
01:15:08,490 --> 01:15:05,349
there some compatibility in or even is

1311
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:08,500
there a connection what else take two

1312
01:15:11,580 --> 01:15:09,090
things

1313
01:15:15,959 --> 01:15:11,590
excellent question Renee thank you very

1314
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:15,969
much so in the first place I would like

1315
01:15:21,899 --> 01:15:18,510
to mention the fact that at the

1316
01:15:25,549 --> 01:15:21,909
knowledge of these contacts with

1317
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:25,559
extraterrestrial beings is rather

1318
01:15:32,910 --> 01:15:29,679
culture wide on our planets so the

1319
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:32,920
Native American community has its sense

1320
01:15:39,839 --> 01:15:36,250
of their being spirits from other worlds

1321
01:15:42,750 --> 01:15:39,849
of course our own Christian tradition

1322
01:15:47,279 --> 01:15:42,760
has a Christmas story and there are some

1323
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:47,289
old paintings which show flying saucers

1324
01:15:53,549 --> 01:15:50,530
and things in the sky and we can give

1325
01:15:56,279 --> 01:15:53,559
other examples from other ledges

1326
01:16:01,609 --> 01:15:56,289
traditions of other people on earth

1327
01:16:05,970 --> 01:16:01,619
about contact with people often admire

1328
01:16:08,939 --> 01:16:05,980
admired as gods having been in our midst

1329
01:16:13,919 --> 01:16:08,949
and I think it's hard to deny

1330
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:13,929
INRI ancient aliens sense that there

1331
01:16:21,930 --> 01:16:16,510
have been visitations for a long time

1332
01:16:25,740 --> 01:16:21,940
and by the way before we get to entirely

1333
01:16:29,549 --> 01:16:25,750
focused on the military threat posed by

1334
01:16:31,739 --> 01:16:29,559
these UFO vehicles

1335
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,749
which are obviously superior in

1336
01:16:36,929 --> 01:16:33,760
capabilities to our own military

1337
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:36,939
vehicles and decide that they are our

1338
01:16:43,770 --> 01:16:40,449
enemy I would point out that these

1339
01:16:45,569 --> 01:16:43,780
spirits of all kinds have been visiting

1340
01:16:49,319 --> 01:16:45,579
us throughout the history of our

1341
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:49,329
civilization as near as I can tell and

1342
01:16:57,239 --> 01:16:52,719
if they did want to take over I believe

1343
01:17:00,869 --> 01:16:57,249
they would have by now so I don't fear

1344
01:17:03,299 --> 01:17:00,879
any visitations of other beings from

1345
01:17:05,339 --> 01:17:03,309
other places you know they could have

1346
01:17:08,809 --> 01:17:05,349
done it they could have done anything by

1347
01:17:12,809 --> 01:17:08,819
now so what's the problem exactly

1348
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:12,819
exactly you know get off to something

1349
01:17:20,939 --> 01:17:17,679
that is astronomically known and your

1350
01:17:24,779 --> 01:17:20,949
audience will surely be hearing these

1351
01:17:27,989 --> 01:17:24,789
days that astronomers discovered a new

1352
01:17:30,809 --> 01:17:27,999
family of planets orbiting this star and

1353
01:17:34,799 --> 01:17:30,819
that star and basically all of the

1354
01:17:40,259 --> 01:17:34,809
nearest stars to us and so we've come to

1355
01:17:43,649 --> 01:17:40,269
understand that 20 years ago we could

1356
01:17:47,309 --> 01:17:43,659
not appreciate how many planets there

1357
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:47,319
were orbiting stars in our galaxy and

1358
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,409
the universe in other words there's

1359
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billions and billions of planets out

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there that's right in the possibilities

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and I'm so sorry dr. shield we've run

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out of time and we've got to go but I

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want to thank you once again for joining

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us I know you're much later than I am

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they're on the east coast and I do

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appreciate that so thank you again and I

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hope you'll agree to come back because

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there's so much more that I'd like to

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hear you talk about okay we'll talk

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Renee thank you so much thanks dr.

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Rudolf shield and thanks to Ruby shield

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as well take care okay thank you no good

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night

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[Music]

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when we go out to eat we never agree on

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where to go what burgers heats up tacos

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it is the one thing we do agree on is we

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all want unlimited high-speed data

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that's why we switch to metro pcs

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stop by metro pcs with the whole family

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and get four lines with unlimited LTE

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data for just $100 period metro pcs

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Wireless figured out covers not

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available in some areas offers for

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reporting of number not currently active

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on t-mobile network during congestion

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the fraction of customers used more than

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35 gigs per month made out of reduce

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beats video stream step 240p no